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Episode 78 Private Equity Returns in Public Markets
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Episode 78: Private Equity Returns in Public Markets

Private Equity Returns in Public Markets

Dan Rasmussen is the founder of Verdad Advisers. We cover the myths of private equity, US versus global opportunities, and applying technical and systematic thinking into public market investing.

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[00:02:03] – The current state of private equity investing

[00:04:09] – The three myths of private equity

[00:06:51] – Taking a deeper dive into the myth of growth through operational improvements

[00:11:25] – Valuations for private market investment and where they’re going

[00:14:03] – Private equity companies that have a higher chance of delivering results that exceed expectation

[00:16:39] – Other observations on the private equity space that would be interesting to investors considering the asset class

[00:19:33] – Importance of being very purposeful in picking your reference classes

[00:22:03] – How do the lessons Dan has learned in private equity translate to his investment strategies

[00:25:21] – How do you apply purely technical, systematic thinking into public market investing

[00:29:23] – Analyzing leveraged stocks and the value they could create

[00:30:06] – How Dan thinks about the direction of debt vs just the level

[00:33:11] – Predicting a firms ability to deleverage

[00:35:20] – How Dan’s company whittle down a company and are able to see value beyond their quantitative screens

[00:41:29] – How does Dan think about the global vs US opportunity set

[00:44:22] – What originally drew Dan to the Japan market

[00:47:03] – How do rising rates impact Dan’s strategy in investing in highly leveraged companies

[00:51:19] – Importance of having investor money locked up for a longer period of time both for the fund and investor

[00:55:03] – Porter’s five forces

[01:00:51] – How Dan thinks about competitive advantage

[01:04:41] – Exploring Dan’s personal process in pursuit of his ideal strategy

[01:07:11] – What other markets pique Dan’s interest

[01:09:39] – Why there is such a focus on small for Dan

[01:11:11] – Source or person that Dan has learned the most from that might surprise people

[01:12:54] – What was it like writing the book

[01:17:19] – If Dan was going to write another book today, what would it be about

[01:19:08] – Kindest thing anyone has done for Dan

Private Equity Returns in Public Markets

Introduction

Patrick
It's been a while since we discussed private equity on the show, so I was excited about this week's conversation. My guest is Dan Rasmussen, the founder of Verdad Advisers. Dan worked in private equity but has also spent years studying the entire field. Dan identified several key drivers of private equities, outsized returns, size, value, and leverage. His firm uses these factors as a starting point to build a portfolio of public equities that behave like their private brethren. We cover a ton of ground discussing the perspective returns for all equities, forecasting, and tons of different investment strategies. Please enjoy this wide-ranging conversation with Dan Rasmussen.

Private Equity Investing and Its Myths

Dan
Private equity is a really fascinating world. I think it's an asset class that very few people understand. From 1980 till 2010, it was probably the best place you could possibly invest, returns, net of fees for about 6% in excess of the public market. Private equity, this is all the more remarkable because we know so much about how difficult active management is and how high fees can drag on returns. Here you had a very complex, clearly very active, they're taking control of every company and very high fee asset class dramatically outperforming. The question is, why was that? Why did it work? Then even more interesting, perhaps, is that it hasn't worked since 2010.

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