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Episode 16 The Prospects for Active Management
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Episode 16: The Prospects for Active Management

The Prospects for Active Management

Jeff Ptak is the head of global manager research at Morningstar. We cover different variables for assessing active managers and mutual funds, why winning funds can often look like losers, and moats.

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[00:02:04] – (First Question) – What trends in the mutual fund and ETF space have Jeff’s attention today, which Jeff says is the shift towards lower-cost, passive investments

[00:13:48] – Any particular places where we are seeing the most and least flight into passive management from active management and vice versa

[00:25:28] – What catalysts could get people to flow back into active management

[00:38:44] – What are the important things to look for when evaluating active managers

[00:12:31] – Exploring active managers and the amount of money they keep in their own fund typically and how that goes into their evaluation

[00:14:21] – Is there a preference in the type of firms that run funds

[00:15:31] – How does tenure of the manager play into their evaluation

[00:17:24] – Why winning funds can often look like losers

[00:20:45] – Looking at the behavior gap, where the fund is acting in a manner that is more positive than the returns may indicate at the time

[00:23:20] – What will Jeff tell their kids when it comes to investing their money in the future

[00:26:41] – What are the qualitative aspects that Jeff thinks about when evaluating a fund manager

[00:28:53] – How does Jeff weigh holding space and return space as factors when looking at a manage

[00:31:55] – Does Morningstar look at the expense of actively managing a fund over the long term of an investment

[00:32:34] – ActiveShare.info

[00:33:27] – Looking at moats and how managers build them around their business to help them outperform in the future

[00:36:59] – Building a moat around distribution

[00:41:02] – The most interesting manager Jeff has researched – Primecap Management and why their incentive structure works so well

[00:44:26] – What are active fees going to look like in the future?

[00:49:37] – Why more transparency isn’t always better (disclaimer: it is very important to Morningstar)

[00:51:52] – Exploring behavior gaps and how they can be avoided

[00:55:45] – Thoughts on the value-growth paradigm

[00:57:49] – Jeff’s most memorable day throughout his career

[00:59:57] – What was the kindest thing that Jeff has done for others and the kindest thing that was done for him

[01:02:37] – Two bands Jeff would encourage people to check out that are a bit under the radar

The Prospects for Active Management

Introduction

Patrick
My guest today is Jeff Ptak. Jeff is the head of global manager research at Morningstar. This puts him in a unique position to discuss the state of active management because he gets to see mutual funds from both the bottom-up, through deep diligence on investment strategies and firms, and top-down using Morningstar's data to assess industry-wide trends. Jeff is one of my favorite myth-busters, so be sure to check out a few of the articles he's written linked in the show notes, which can be found at investorfieldguide.com/ptak, which is P-T-A-K. When we spent most of our time discussing different variables for assessing active managers and mutual funds, we also covered his favorite punk rock bands. Please enjoy our conversation.

Trends in Mutual Funds and ETFs

Patrick
Okay, Jeff, thank you very, very much for doing this with me today. I've always been envious of people in seats like yours, where you have this interesting top-down and bottom-up view of the asset management business, mutual funds, ETFs. And so, maybe where we could start that would be interesting would be to hear, what trends in broadly speaking in the mutual fund and ETF space have your attention and interest today?

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