Return on India
Episode 2 Building the India Stack: UPI, Aadhar and Data Empowerment
Return on India

Episode 2: Building the India Stack: UPI, Aadhar and Data Empowerment

Return on India

Episode 2

Building the India Stack: UPI, Aadhar and Data Empowerment

Nandan Nilekani is the co-founder of Infosys. We cover the three components of the India Stack, explore the second-order effects of UPI, and discuss Nandan's perspective on what the future holds for India.

[00:02:20] - [First question] - The original thought process and vision for the India Stack

[00:04:12] - How India reached their level of financial services in just seven years compared to the forty five year estimate

[00:06:37] - Overview of the three components of the India Stack: identity, payments, and data empowerment 

[00:10:21] - Some of the non obvious insights when designing a system that onboards a billion people and maintains utility amongst them 

[00:13:51] - A dramatic reduction in the cost of KYC and second and third order effects because of it 

[00:17:03] - Breaking down and understanding the product ecosystem that is Aadhar 

[00:18:50] - Whether or not it was controversial having the private and public sectors both participate in Aadhar

[00:20:58] - Overview of the UPI system and its underlying protocol 

[00:23:29] - Understanding the Indian economic landscape today in relation to UPI 

[00:28:10] - Framing data empowerment and the types of applications it enables 

[00:32:03] - Account aggregator as a data access fiduciary and their role in the system

[00:34:44] - Unpacking the impact of data empowerment through a micro and macro lens

[00:38:28] - Thinking about formal and informal economies in relation to the India Stack

[00:40:44] - Other unique characteristics of the India Stack 

[00:42:33] - His perspective on what the future holds for India over the coming decades

Building the India Stack: UPI, Aadhar and Data Empowerment

Introduction

Romeen
My guest today is Nandan Nilekani. Nandan is one of the most transformative figures in the Indian technology landscape, both in the private and public sector. He cofounded Infosys, one of the world's largest information technology services firms with a market cap of over $75 billion, and served as the Chairman of UIDAI, which developed many of India's world-class public digital infrastructure initiatives, such as Aadhaar, UPI, OCEN, amongst others. Nandan is often referred to as India's CTO, and I'm thrilled today to have the opportunity to speak with him.

Romeen
Nandan, sir, welcome, and thanks so much for joining me.

Nandan
Thank you.

Financial Inclusion in India

Romeen
So our discussion today will primarily focus on the philosophy, architecture and impact of the India Stack. But to kick off the discussion, I'd love for you to set the stage in 2008 when India Stack was really still in its infancy. But I think at the time, less than 20% of the country had bank accounts. Financial exclusion was rampant. What was the original thought process and the vision for the project?

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