Invest Like The Best
Episode 1 Activist Investing
Invest Like The Best

Episode 1: Activist Investing

Activist Investing

Jeff is the founder and portfolio manager at Bandera Partners, an Adjunct Professor at Columbia Business School, and the author of Dear Chairman. We cover the history and current state of shareholder activism, his investment strategy, and share buybacks.

[00:01:30] – (First question) – The Beginning of Shareholder Activism – Ben Gramm spearheaded the active shareholder movement by investigating Northern Pipeline starting in 1920’s.   Companies didn’t release nearly as much information and he took it upon himself to travel to Washington, DC to do research on these companies and discover more value for the shareholders

[00:10:08] – The Proxyteer Movement – The beginning of pro-shareholder populism, folks like Robert Young and Louis Wolfson who got a lot of press when they said that the companies had to protect their shareholders. It was the first time people started to call for having more rights and flex their muscles

[00:12:30] – The Conglomerate Wars – Hostile M&A and the rise of active investors like Warren Buffet

[00:13:30] – The Corporate Raiders – Companies are forced to look for new ways to protect themselves from active investors bent on grabbing up the most cash and business as possible.  How Warren Buffett was different from other more well-known investors

[00:15:51] – What happened when Boone Pickens went after Phillips but winds up getting bought out

[00:17:10] – The public perception of the corporate raiders and hostile M&A’s

[00:19:41] – The remaining history of shareholder activism through the 90’s and early 2000’s

[00:22:07] – Looking into the major shareholders of companies and getting past the massive asset players, like Vanguard, that are most likely passive players but who have a major influence on the company

[00:25:52] – What moves actually provide the most value to shareholder, which is a more recent trend, and is the focus on shareholders actually best for companies?

[00:31:03] – How do companies balance the short term goals of providing shareholder with earnings results verses those that are focused on the long term growth of the company

[00:36:05] – Shifting into Jeff’s history.  He got started in music, and why this lifestyle was hard but still educational for him

[00:38:07] – How did Jeff make the transition from playing in a band to attending Columbia business school

[00:41:52] – Looking into the Joel Greenblatt class and how that class was structured

[00:43:34] – How Jeff got back into teaching at Columbia, with the help of Eddie Ramsden of Caburn Capital, who now teaches at the London Business School

[00:45:44] – A look at Jeff’s actual portfolio. With a special focus on three holdings, Star Gas, Popeye’s, and Tandy Leather

[00:47:14] – Star Gas, their largest position, the Dan Loeb letters, and investor fatigue

[00:55:45] – What does it mean to be good capital allocators?

[00:57:42] – Value of stock buybacks and their real value

[01:05:02] – Tandy Leather – Jeff explains their business, which is quite unique, as well as the reason that he owns such a large amount of their outstanding shares

[01:12:28] – A look at how Jeff benchmark’s himself and what impact the investors play into his fund

[01:16:55] – The kindest thing anyone ever did for Jeff professionally

[01:18:28] – The one skill that Jeff has that helps him perform better than the average population is his ability to see the big picture

[01:19:34] – Jeff explores why books have a different impact on you when you are younger verse older. But he would force people to check out “The Snowball”

[01:23:17] – Wants to hear interesting people who are productive but have diverse interests, like Tyler Cowen

Activist Investing

Introduction

Patrick
My guest today is Jeff Gramm, a portfolio manager at Bandera Partners and the author of one of my favorite investing books, Dear Chairman: Boardroom Battles and the Rise of Shareholder Activism. Jeff is also one of the nicest people I've come across in this business. It's been a pleasure getting to know him in recent months. In our conversation, we discussed the history and current state of shareholder activism and how Jeff invests himself taking large positions and often board sits in undervalued companies. Please, enjoy.

Activist Investing

Patrick
Jeff, so I'm going to start with a couple of quotes from your book because I think they're good bookends for understanding this history of activism that you explore. The first one is from Ben Graham which kicks off the book. Really, I'm quoting these two passage less for their content and more for their tone because it's changed so much over the years. Graham was fighting against a company called Northern Pipeline which I'll let describe kind of what he was doing in a few minutes. But this is an excerpt from the letter you published in Dear Chairman where he says, "Because of its ownership of the largest interest therein and because of the prestige represented by its name, the Rockefeller Foundation must be considered to some extent in the ethical position of trustee for the smaller participants. We are hopeful, therefore, that it is high minded and generous solicitude evident in so many fields will be manifested to some degree in the foundation's attitude towards its fellow shareholders."

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