Invest Like The Best
Episode 108 Esoteric Credit with Ali Hamed, Brian Harwitt, and Marc Porzecanski
Invest Like The Best

Episode 108: Esoteric Credit with Ali Hamed, Brian Harwitt, and Marc Porzecanski

Invest Like The Best

Episode 108

Esoteric Credit with Ali Hamed, Brian Harwitt, and Marc Porzecanski

Ali Hamed, Brian Harwitt, and Marc Porzecanski work together at CoVenture. We cover the landscape of esoteric credit with concrete examples, the current credit cycle, and key determents of success in the credit lending business.

[00:01:44] – (First Question) – The formation of their unique credit business

[00:02:16] – Their advantage in seeing both the equity and credit side of their investments

[00:10:22] – Looking at the Returnly deal as an example

[00:14:06] – How they view these deals and are able to sustain them as long-term investments

[00:18:09] – Their interest in payroll deduction lending

[00:20:07] – Finding unique types of default risk

[00:21:30] – What stands out in a platform that makes CoVenture want to take a deeper look

[00:26:43] – Most interesting types of problem they have come across that they have yet to do a deal in

[00:31:34] – What is going to change to make for more thoughtful underwriting of subprime lending

[00:35:51] – Major structures of asset-backed lending

[00:39:48] – Whether the home serves as an interesting playground for credit opportunities and whether people will own anything again

[00:42:43] – Mark’s experience working at a huge firm vs his experience at CoVenture

[00.42:49] – How does the current credit cycle impact their view

[00:47:04] – Lending against bitcoin

[00:50:06] – Who is interested in these loans against bitcoin

[00:51:00] – How to set interest rates against a weird asset like this

[00:52:59] – What are the key determents of success in this business

[01:02:17] – Kindest thing anyone has a team for the team

[01:03:51] – How to treat people that you pass on

Esoteric Credit with Ali Hamed, Brian Harwitt, and Marc Porzecanski

Introduction

Patrick
My guests this week are Ali Hamed, Brian Harwitt, and Marc Porszecanski, who work together at Coventure Credit. When I first had Ali on as a podcast guest, we discussed the many aspects of what his firm does, ranging from venture to crypto, to credit. We glossed over the lending side of the business, but having since learned a lot from them on the topic, I was excited to get a chance to talk with members of their credit team for today's longer exploration of esoteric high yield lending. I'm also proselytizing the value of investor education. So this week we have a podcast first. The Coventure team has prepared a long series of posts that correspond to our conversation and go even deeper into the topic of credit investing. You can find them in the show notes at InvestorFieldGuide.com/credit. This is entirely different from any conversation I've shared before, so I hope you learn as much as I did. Please enjoy my discussion with Team Coventure Credit.

The Need for Esoteric Credit

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