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Episode 18 Designing Better Decisions
Invest Like The Best

Episode 18: Designing Better Decisions

Designing Better Decisions

Dan Egan is the managing director of Behavioral Finance and Investing at Betterment. We cover investor behavior, nudging, and automated asset alocation.

[00:02:04] – (First question) – The conversation starts with Dan’s passion for Sci-Fi because the two talked about it at length when they first met at the evidence-based investing conference

[00:04:31] – What really makes for a good sci-fi and some of Dan’s most favorite

[00:05:39] – Your life and People like You (short stories)

[00:10:30] – What books would identify whether a person is a sci-fi fan

[00:12:46] – What does it mean to be a behavioral economist, especially when it comes to the day-to-day tasks

[00:14:11] – Designing systems that make people better investors

[00:15:15] – All of the different areas that Dan influences the Betterment experience

[00:17:03] – The idea of nudges that will help people make better decisions and improvements to the dashboard

[00:19:22] – How does Dan think about nudging people to stop making the same mistakes that are becoming more common as the tools have made trading more accessible

[00:21:33] – One system designed called Tax Impact Preview and how it helps people make better decisions

[00:23:46] – How are these systems delivered to the consumer and help them make a better decision

[00:25:00] – What other ways that Betterment nudges customers to make better decisions

[00:27:25] – How Betterment is preparing its customer base and itself for the next downturn

[00:30:48] – Preventing people on Betterment from making the same mistakes that are made in other places

[00:33:45] – Reassuring investors when they log into the site as opposed to emailing them and causing panic

[00:34:39] – Exploring Dan’s philosophy roots

[00:36:44] – How to remove fallible human factors from decision making

[00:39:30] – How worried is Dan about automation and the jobs of the world

[00:43:18] – We have to look at how to combat inequality but not as a financial problem, but as a motivation problem

[00:45:00] – Dan’s decision to come to Betterment and the idea of money vs happiness

[00:49:35] – Helping customers design indices for every single individual and every goal

[00:53:25] – What aspect of Betterment’s offering makes it so unique from its competitors

[00:55:45] – How do you scale a company and keep up the hiring of high-quality talent

[00:58:45] – Looking at Dan’s most memorable day

[01:00:07] – Kindest thing anyone has done for Dan

[01:02:48] – What advice would Dan give to students and graduate students interested in getting into the markets

Designing Better Decisions

Introduction

Patrick
My guest today is Dan Egan, who is the Managing Director of Behavioral Finance and Investing at Betterment. If that job title sounds wide-ranging, it's because it is. Dan has his hands in most of the ways that Betterment interacts with its clients and how it invests their money. This is one very interested and smart guy who is clearly passionate about helping investors make better decisions. We talk about science fiction, automation, investor behavior, and how Betterment tries to solve problems beyond the automated asset allocation engine that is their bread and butter. You can find show notes at investorfieldguide.com/egan, E-G-A-N. Now, please enjoy my conversation with Dan Egan. Thank you very much for doing this with me. I try to start somewhere interesting every week so it's not just about business. Well, start with sci-fi.

Dan
Excellent

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