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Episode 48 Sink or Swim: How to Combine Quant and Traditional Asset Management Techniques
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Episode 48: Sink or Swim: How to Combine Quant and Traditional Asset Management Techniques

Sink or Swim: How to Combine Quant and Traditional Asset Management Techniques

Leigh Drogen is the co-founder of Estimize, which is now the largest financial estimates platform in the world. We cover how traditional managers can compete with quantitative funds, building factor models, and management structures in an investment firm.

[00:02:14] – (First question) –  What role will ego and mindset play for traditional hedge funds looking to transition into quantitative investing strategies

[00:04:21] – Describes the traditional process that hedge funds use to make investment decisions and how the internal politics can hamper it

[00:06:08] – What value has portfolio managers played at hedge funds traditionally as the quarterback of a fund

[00:09:57] – A look at what Leigh has seen as he sits with teams

[00:12:20] – A look at places that have tried to simply add quant to their firm’s strategies without “tearing it down to the studs” and properly integrating them into the process

[00:15:00] – Leigh is asked to define the basics of a good investment firm’s strategies

[00:16:57] – Strategies for writing down core beliefs, whether it’s for yourself or your firm

[00:17:49] – Exploring the second step, finding a differentiating view and how to succeed with it

[00:21:43] – The importance of force ranking and structuring the unstructured 

[00:26:14] – Building factor models

[00:29:42] – How the portfolio manager position should have less room for subjectivity than at the analyst level

[00:33:44] – Is anyone integrating this kind of high-level data at the portfolio manager level into the decision making the way Leigh describes

[00:35:07] – What blind spots are created by systematizing their processes

[00:36:18] – Why much of this applies more to shorter and structured periods

[00:38:23] – Shifting to portfolio constructions and what Leigh would do to create the right mix

[00:43:39] – Shifting to management structures in these firms starting with the role of the CIO 

[00:45:24] – Looking at the different quant roles that exist in a firm and what they should be responsible for; data engineers, data analysts, pure quants, and quantitative engineer

[00:48:20] – If you are an undergrad or grad student right now interested in asset management, what are the roles you should be thinking about targeting

[00:49:25] – Why communication skills are still so important, no matter what role you are in

[00:50:25] – With all of the tools and skills that Leigh has at his disposal at Estimize, why not institute an active strategy

[00:52:01] – What has Leigh observed in the dispersion of skill in the Estimize data set 

[00:53:47] – What is the relationship between specialization and accuracy among funds

[00:55:29] – The pros and cons of the generalist

[00:56:56] – A look at Leigh’s background in War Theory and what lessons that he still draws on today

[01:00:19] – How the field of study around war and battle relates to the investing world

Sink or Swim: How to Combine Quant and Traditional Asset Management Techniques

Introduction

Patrick
Several weeks ago, my conversation with Leigh Drogen on quant investing proved timely and popular because everyone in asset management is facing the rise of big data, and the use of data science in investing strategies. Because of the rise of quants, many are asking themselves how to survive and thrive in this changing industry. In short, how can traditional managers compete with quants?

This second conversation with Leigh was set up to answer many of the questions posed in the first one. If quants are taking over, what should other investors do about it? Leigh proposes a method by which old-school asset managers can restructure their thinking and their process to compete with and even beat purely quantitative competitors.

The method involves pulling the best from both worlds, and combining them into a hybrid structure, but it will be impossible without a wholesale change in mindset, which is where we begin. Please enjoy this great second round with Leigh Drogen.

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