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Episode 13 Small Bets, Huge Payoffs
Invest Like The Best

Episode 13: Small Bets, Huge Payoffs

Small Bets, Huge Payoffs

Chris is the founder and CIO of Artemis Capital Management. We cover the benefits of being long volatility and convexity, how to implement them in portfolios as well as daily life, and the lessons that Dennis Rodman can teach investors.

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[00:02:07] – (First Question) – Chris is asked about the somewhat morbid and interesting concept of a “Tikker”

[00:03:17] – A look at volatility and convexity as Chris sees it, and what we do in our everyday lives that exposes us to these concepts

[00:08:03] – How does the same idea get used in investing and a portfolio

[00:10:02] – If convexity is the non-linear payoffs to change, why is value investing a short convexity strategy

[00:14:09] – Are there such things as positive Black Swans?

[00:15:51] – How does Chris see the world and markets looking through his lens of convexity

[00:20:39] – Why democracy may not survive the strategies in place to protect us

[00:23:20] – Why World War II helped the US economy get out of the depression

[00:24:24] – Have we pulled too much future returns into our current numbers and are our expectations for market productivity too high

[00:26:11] – Some of the strategy thinking that Artemis uses to build portfolios in this current market atmosphere

[00:30:40] – How does an average person access these strategies or do you have to be an institution to execute macro strategies like Artemis

[00:33:58] – What would it take convince Chris that he is wrong and the world financial markets are in better shape than perceived

[00:36:48] – Are we seeing above average fear in the market or are we setting up for a more horror-filled scenario where the workforce potential is decimated by technology

[00:42:53] – How do clients of Artemis perceive their negative outlook on the economy and society

[00:44:10] – Dennis Rodman and portfolio optimization

[00:44:16] – The unexpected lesson investors can learn from NBA great Dennis Rodman

[00:49:39] – Why and how has artwork become a major part of Chris’s work

[00:51:36] – What movie best exemplifies the long volatility strategy

[00:55:14] – Chris’s most memorable day in investing

[00:57:04] – The kindest thing that anyone has done for Chris

[00:57:52] – Chris’s important daily habits; exercise, meditation, and reading; and he goes about them.

Small Bets, Huge Payoffs

Introduction

Patrick
My guest this week is Chris Cole, founder and managing partner at Artemis Capital Management. Chris' specialty is in long volatility strategies, setting up portfolios, which will benefit from significant change in markets. We discuss how a series of small bets can lead to disproportionately large non-linear payoffs in both life and markets. Having read some of Chris' work, I knew that his thinking would bring a fresh perspective to the show. As metaphors for Chris' philosophy, we discuss what kind of watch he wears, Dennis Rodman, and movies. Please enjoy this conversation with Chris Cole.

Convexity in Daily Life

Hey Chris, this is going to be a lot of fun. Let's see how far down the rabbit hole we can go together today. Maybe a fun way to start would be for you to tell us what a Tikker is.

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